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2019/08/01 1:58:57 PM UTC

On another note, the last Firefox supported on XP looks really weird with the XP client side decorations (or whatever this stuff is called on Windows)
Firefox 52 on Windows XP. The title bar is Windows XP style, and merged with the menus.

2019/08/01 2:01:26 PM UTC

@Dee only linux talks about them but client side decorations (which i think people get confused for "buttons in the drag bar") are generally the norm on other platforms.

that does look real uncomfortable tho.

2019/08/01 2:03:44 PM UTC

@absturztaube which one is the winxp theme?

(or does not not ship with pleromafe?)

2019/08/01 2:11:36 PM UTC

@absturztaube ah, it's beautiful
Pleroma XP theme inside Firefox inside XP
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2019/08/01 2:13:35 PM UTC

@Dee :blobcat3c: how did i endure this back in the days..

@Feuerfuchs :blobthis:

2019/08/01 2:15:55 PM UTC

@absturztaube @Dee I've used the XP theme for 3 days, then I just couldn't stand it anymore. I can only assume that MS included some subliminal message that suppresses the urge to gouge your eyes out. :bloblul:

2019/08/01 2:18:50 PM UTC

@Feuerfuchs @absturztaube @Dee Omg I've been using it since you posted it and it's just glorious :pepe_heart:

2019/08/01 2:45:20 PM UTC

@absturztaube @Dee @Feuerfuchs The same as all of us at the time. Badly and wishing for a better solution :D

2019/08/01 3:14:50 PM UTC

@Dee @flussence

that is actually pretty damn nice. The window menu with that gradient looks... weirdly attractive o.O

2019/08/01 3:47:33 PM UTC

@oct2pus @Dee "client side decoration" in gtk-speak usually refers to merged title bar with app header bar. it's absolutely not the norm on any platform; pretty much every single platform has title bars by default. the exception tends to be chrome/firefox and also professional software like adobe cc, solidworks, etc (basically software which use their own gui frameworks)

also some of the newer macOS apps adopt that pattern (usually media-heavy ones), but some retain a title bar

2019/08/01 4:22:35 PM UTC

@trwnh there is a native concept of buttons in the draggable space in every desktop. GNOME is evangelical about them and use them to a significantly greater extent but you can find them on all desktops. Windows File Explorer comes to mind, as does VS:Code. On MacOS finder also has it in their draggable space.

2019/08/01 4:26:58 PM UTC

@trwnh I'm also specifically talking about how the windows are rendered.

the application renders its own windows, every single Native MacOS application renders its own windows regardless of it has buttons in the draggable space or not.

2019/08/01 4:37:58 PM UTC

@trwnh
i don't know what you mean by
"wait file explorer is more of an overlay." because it reads like it was a part of a greater sentence. My point is it has buttons, that are in the title bar.

its a toggle in the settings thats off by default on linux iirc. And can't be enabled on MacOS because its redundant on that platform.

UWP apps also draw their own titlebars.
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2019/08/01 4:38:38 PM UTC

@oct2pus even if you're talking about the specific details of clientside vs serverside drawing, the "default" is still to let the window manager draw the title bar in most cases

2019/08/01 5:01:03 PM UTC

@trwnh default is a matter of perspective. We can also call server side rendering "back up behavior" because we can assume CSD's are default and the desktop has to react to one that cannot draw its own window. Except on Mac, which its always rendered in the client (except maybe on the Zephyr X server but i know literally nothing about those besides that they exist and is not in common use.)

I really think about it more as "if else" than either 'default' or 'backup' though, since the distinction really isn't a big deal to me, the end user.

I probably should've used "Has native implementations for" rather than "norm" since I was not trying to invoke quantitative, just "uncontroversial".

2019/08/01 8:44:15 PM UTC

@Dee @absturztaube My first thought was: wow, such a cool WinXP theme! And then start wondering which Linux DE would be so flexible to support it๐Ÿ˜…

2019/08/09 5:47:20 AM UTC

@Dee @flussence
I see that you are getting ready for 2020. Year of nostalgia.
And the year Windows 7 will stop receiving security updates.